I havae just learned that PBS will air a documentary called :Ask Not” on June 16th. It is a look at how the “Dont Ask, Don’t Tell” policy has affected gay members of the military.
Also, there is a filmm called Daddy & Pappa about two gay men raising a child. Info’ http://www.persistentvisions.com

Look at the spelling mistakes! I must get more rest!

We were watching LOGO,a gay channel, and saw Marie Osmond supporting gay marriage and outing her youngest daughter. We cried. I think that that is a real turning point. My guess is the Mormons won’t turn away from all that Jenny Craig tithing. About the decision. It was expected, and it still doesn’t validate our marraige because we were able to slip into the narrow little window of legal, we feel bad about the people who missed the train. It surprises me to no end that the state we moved to for refuge is totally letting us down. maybe we’ll buy a farm in Iowa.

I feel like giving back our marriage certificate. Paul feels the same way. Like Paul said, just because we were ready after 14 years of bliss (did I say that?) doesn’t mean that it feels good to be “the One’s” that were ready for marriage.

I’m so blown away that prominent Mormon Marie Osmond said on ET that she supports gay marriage… Did that get huge play in Zion?? If only everyone who had a gay child, sibling, friend, or just close friend…was as brave as her right now….

Kathy – You have always amazed me. With everything you experienced in your life…to now be our strongest supporter in the “Not so great state of Utah”…I cannot tell you how much I admire your morality and dignity. You are my American Idol. (Since Adam Lambert didn’t win)

We were just talking about getting a tiller to loosen the soil on our hillside so that more Flora will grow…how appropriate that you remind us how effective that can be.

I’m not that great. I once put a bouquet of pansies on Tim’s grave one memorial day. It was the same year that Amy put a big “Get Well Soon” balloon on Annie’s headstone. Paul, Thanks for the info on Marie Osmond, that’s so cool. I have heard nothing about it here, not surprised though.
I wish I could be more of an activist, my health is such a damn drawback. Craig, you overestimate me, besides I can’t be an American Idol since I’m not an American citizen, with my energy I’m more like a British “Idle”. Love you guys.

OK then – Susan Boyle – step aside.

As disheartening as the shameful supreme court reversal has been, I’m encouraged by what seems to be a tipping point over this issue. And the fact that the court put themselves in such a contradictory situation with this decision–concluding that gay marriage is illegal, but the lucky 18,000 ARE legal–opens the state wide open for reversal in the years to come.

Marie opening up about her gay daughter didn’t get much air time in Utah, but even in Zion there seems to be a change in the wind.

I’ll carry the activism sign for you, Kathleen!

Craig, you crack me up! Josh, thanks for the post with the information and insight that I should have taken the time to include. I mighgt take you up on holding my protest posters. Would you mind keeping me informed of protests, since sometimes I don’t always get the information until it is too late? My address is : http://www.veronicapearce@hotmail.com Thank you.

You all are so witty, and that helps. I will never understand how a court that ruled in favor last year of gay marriage, arguing that simply denying us the use of the word marriage created discrimination, now is no big deal.

Why the contradiction? Because a couple of those justices who voted in favor of marriage equality last year could be voted out of office.

This is why judges should be appointed instead of elected. They are no better than politicians when they have to be elected.

Anyway, like Josh I also feel that change is moving in on the subject.

As for Marie Osmond, she didn’t really state she supported gay marriage. She said she supported civil rights for gays. She could have meant civil unions.

ON the other hand, many blogs and commentaries have stated her comments were that she supported gay marriage (even though the word marriage never left her mouth), and she hasn’t felt the need to correct anyone yet, so maybe she does.

Think she’s gotten a call from the brethren yet?

Thank you Kathy for your support. It’s nice to have you on our side..

This line,

“I will never understand how a court that ruled in favor last year of gay marriage, arguing that simply denying us the use of the word marriage created discrimination, now is no big deal. ”

should have said …’now says denying us the use of the word is no big deal (since we have domestic partnership rights there)….

Feels like a pretty big deal to me..

Do any of you feel the two lawyers (one Bush lawyer and one Gore lawyer) taking it to the federal court will do any good?

Clearly the Supreme court ruled the wrong way, but I didn’t know a federal court could change their ruling???

Sounds iffy to me.

And if not, do you think it wise to put the issue on the next ballont in November 2010 for voters to ‘have their say’ again?

Do you think we’d win next time?

I’m not sure about the procedure. I do know that an appeal can be made to a federal court and they do have the power to overturn the decision. I think it then can go to the Supreme Court and they decide if they want to hear the case in question. Right now, in Californi they are trying to get 700,000 signatures on a petition just to get it included on the 2010

Crazy computer, it just posted this before I was finished, anyway, 700,000 signatured needed to get it on the 2010 ballot.

Paul and I were both watching the “ET” clip on CBS news on LOGO and Marie did say “I support gay marriage” At least that is the version we saw.

I think 2010 is a bit too soon to put it before California voters. 2012 with the presidential election would be a wiser choice in my opinion. Perhaps just enough time to let 3 years of stupid bigoted people die while 3 years of enlightened exhuberant youth become old enough to vote.

The problem I’m hearing with the courts latest decision is not that some of the justices changed their mind. It’s the constitution of California that needs to be changed. I heard a constitutional expert state that Prop 8 could not have happened in hardly any other state. I don’t remember the specific details but the judges would have had to rule against the populace’s right to vote on this kind of issue. Many here are saying California’s constitution should be changed.

I’d like to read the California Sate Constitution, and Utah’s for that matter. Good points Craig, although those desiring marriage right now are probably reluctant to wait until 2012.
Can’t fault them for that.

I sort of think waiting until 2012 makes sense too. I mean the Knight initative passed 8 years ago with like 62% of the vote. So in 8 years, we gained 10 percentage points of the vote. Maybe in 12 more we’d get the other 2 we need. I don’t know if 2010 is too soon. I’ve seem polls stating Californians now support gay marriage by 55% and have buyers remorse with the Proposition.

Still, it galls me that the idea that a group of citizens can have their right to equal treatment up for a vote at all is even given credence. The entire practice is entirely unconstitutional and I am certain one day the Supreme court of the US will declare it so.

If Marie did say marriage I must have missed that. Kudos for her. I’m sure because of her celebrity she likely will get a talkin to by her ‘leaders.’ The lady has courage, I’ll give her that.

I’m more concerned with Iowa’s ruling being in jeopardy if the voters there approve a constitutional convention. And also with Maine if anti-marriage equality forces get 55,000 signatures to have the issue put before the people this November. The people’s veto, as they call it, can undo what the legislature and Governor did there.

A loss in either of those places would be a serious blow.

And what’s with New Hampshire? Anyone know the latest on it? Those supporters who refused to Governor’s demands did a disservice to us I think. It should be law by now.

Though not unexpected, I too was very disappointed in the supreme court ruling. Try as I might I just can’t understand how those who would deny the right of marriage to all can justify their position. It’s frustrating, aggrevating, depressing and angering.

My hope is that after a few years of seeing that the sky hasn’t fallen and “marriage” is still in tact – even though 18,000 gay couples are married – Californians will resoundingly make a different choice the next time it is at the ballot box.